Cliff Sims, founder of Yellow Hammer News and an adviser to former President Donald Trump, appeared on a Fox News podcast on Tuesday alongside prominent conservative figure and former U.S. Rep. Trey Gowdy.

A major theme of Sims and Gaudi’s discussion was the intersection of faith and politics.

Gowdy asked Sims, who comes from a family of preachers, how he got into politics in the first place.

“I'm in Enterprise, Alabama, and my Sunday school teacher is a guy named Barry Moore,” Sims said. “Back then, Barry called himself a garbage man. All he did was run a little business, run a waste disposal company. Of course, now we know Barry by his title as a congressman.”

“But he had nothing to do with politics and I was at a time when I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do in life. Barry decided to run for state representative in 2010 and he and I started a few businesses together and got to know each other.

“He said, 'I know you don't know anything about politics, and I've never run for office, so I don't know much about this stuff, but if we do it, I think we can figure this out together,' so I helped run his campaign in 2010.”

“Six years later, I had an office in the West Wing.”

As a man of faith, Sims says he has been guided by the Bible since entering politics, and from that perspective he has written a book called “Darkness Has Not Overcome: Lessons on Faith and Politics from Inside the Halls of Power.”

Related: Trump ally Cliff Sims publishes book on 'Faith lessons from the halls of power'

“By any standards, this is a pretty difficult, brutal and very bleak time in American politics and in American culture in general,” Sims said, “but the title comes from John 1:5, which says: 'The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness cannot overcome the light.'”

“And I think that's a promise we can rely on in times like these.”

Sims told Gowdy that American society today places too much emphasis on politics over spirituality.

“When we think about these dark and cruel times for America, I think it’s worth remembering that it’s often because we place politics too high in the hierarchy of what we should care about,” he said. “Don’t get me wrong, as you mentioned, I’ve dedicated much of my adult life to getting Republicans elected, to promoting conservatism, to fighting for a vision of government that I think best aligns with God’s vision of justice and righteousness in the public square.

“But politics ranks too high in the hierarchy of what we care about.”

Austin Shipley is a staff writer for Yellow Hammer News.