On a recent podcast episode, Megyn Kelly of Siriusxm and Ben Shapiro from Daily Wire engaged in a heated discussion. The topic? The resurgence of public protests against Jeffrey Epstein, especially following a note from the Department of Justice (DOJ) which claimed there was no evidence of a “client list” or foul play surrounding his death. Kelly shared that her sources indicated something contrary to the DOJ’s findings, which seemed to stir the pot further. “I have contacts in law enforcement who tell me, for instance, that he didn’t commit suicide,” she remarked.
“That’s a fair point,” replied Shapiro. “But these sources should come forward and, I believe, identify who’s covering this up.” This conversation arose after a memo from the DOJ, first reported by Axios on July 6, raised fresh questions about Epstein’s case. Meanwhile, the FBI released over 10 hours of raw footage from Epstein’s cell at the New York City Correctional Center, although many expressed concerns over missing video evidence.
During a press briefing Tuesday, Attorney General Pam Bondi addressed inquiries about the missing footage, explaining that the center’s cameras are reset nightly, which might contribute to the gaps. Authorities had previously declared Epstein’s death a suicide in 2019. However, even back then, his brother, Mark Epstein, suspected foul play and enlisted forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden, who indicated that the autopsy suggested homicide rather than suicide.
Kelly interjected, saying there are numerous individuals who doubt that Epstein took his own life. The administration, she noted, appears hesitant to speak out for fear of antagonizing Trump. Shapiro countered that figures like Bondi, the FBI’s Kash Patel, and Dan Bongino were making information public, even if it was limited.
Shapiro argued that if others wish to raise doubts, they should present evidence instead of leaving the public in speculation. Kelly contended that it’s difficult for people in government roles to voice such claims, suggesting potential repercussions from their superiors.
The discussion veered into who bears responsibility for these claims, where Shapiro pressed Kelly on how to validate anonymous sources. Kelly defended her position, asserting that questioning the credibility of her sources without naming them was unjust. The two continued to debate their respective sources and the information from the Trump administration regarding Epstein’s death, which Kelly noted had not received direct commentary from Trump.
Shapiro argued that asking whistleblowers to identify themselves in what some view as a significant cover-up is unrealistic. Kelly replied that it’s easier for him to say that, given his platform. Shapiro insisted that whistleblowers could gain financial freedom by coming forward with facts about such a major scandal.
In February, Bondi had expressed her commitment to transparency regarding the Epstein case, promising to release relevant files. However, when conservative influencers were seen with a binder marked “Epstein Files: Phase 1,” it raised eyebrows about the actual contents and timing. Initial information from Bondi and the DOJ arrived with a brief embargo, but soon revelations indicated little of significance was disclosed.
Later, Bondi suggested on Fox News that more evidence was still in the Southern District of New York, igniting calls from some Republicans for her resignation. Despite this, President Trump recently supported Bondi, reaffirming her position amidst the ongoing scrutiny.
